Well, it’s been a while since I’ve been in the business of ranting about the Bellas – most of that goes to Charlotte these days, but it appears I am coming out of retirement. This time, however, will be a little different. It’s going to be a response to another person’s post.
Now, before I get to it it, I’d be remiss if I didn’t first direct you to the Bella rant to end all Bella rant: https://mzrc.wordpress.com/2015/09/14/bellageddon-everything-wrong-with-nikki-bellas-title-reign-of-doomtm/
Some of my response to this post is probably already in that and I don’t want to repeat myself when I can just direct you to that beforehand.
So, what I’m responding to is, in fact, a response to a fellow TWITWOW listener, Asia’s tumblr post, found here: https://asias4life.tumblr.com/post/163276054747/this-is-my-pipebombshell-for-the-bella-army-i/amp
And after you’ve read that, the response that I am replying to is found here, from Tumblr user Nikkisflair: http://nikkisflair.tumblr.com/post/163290039671/just-another-bella-defense-post-because-im-tired/amp
Now, I’ve only read part of this post so far, and I’m going to respond to it now as I read it. I’m not used to seeing well thought out responses by Bella fans, so when I started to read this, I felt like it deserved a response. Most things of this nature by Bella fans I see are nonsensical garbage, so I wanted to at least respond to the ones that aren’t. Good to know that there are intelligent Bella fans, even though they’re few and far between.
So, I’m going to respond to points in here, but I likely won’t respond to everything – just what needs to be touched upon. Italics are from Nikkisflair’s post.
Ok, you didn’t word it as “The Bellas can’t wrestle” but that’s what you were implying, otherwise why would even bring them up as an example in the same category as Eva Marie?
She brought them up together because of being part of Total Divas together. Also, you miss the point where she said several times that they improved – and since you can’t improve from “can’t wrestle” to “can’t wrestle” so no, she was not implying that.
You say Vince wants them because they are model-like, then why would he want to fire Summer who posed on Maxim and is trying to get a spot on Sports Illustrated?
Where are these Summer release rumors? I have never heard of them once. If they’re from a year ago, then well, the Maxim stuff was this year was it not?
They built an empire
Within the WWE world.
they are the most mainstream women they’ve ever had
Trish, Lita, A.J……Just because they have a show on E! doesn’t make them mainstream. When people talk about shows on tv – how many times is that show on E? Most shows I know of that a lot of people talk about, it’s on Netflix, HBO, or AMC. Sometimes NBC or Fox or CW. Not E.
featured on two reality shows
When one show is the Bellas and other people and the other is just the Bellas, is it really two shows? I mean, yes, technically – but they’re the same show, just not. I mean, I’ll give you that they clearly draw more than the other girls on Total Divas, but what does that get them? Okay, so more random people who watch the E network like them because they’re like your typical reality show people, and they don’t like the others as much. I wonder if perhaps the E fans like reality show type people more than they like wrestlers/wrestling. Because that appears to be the case here.
Like it or not the Bellas are popular and have a huge following that goes beyond WWE
No one is questioning that, this is true.
something that other girls are not able to provide
But are certainly capable of it if WWE decided to promote them that way.
They sell almost double merch as Sasha does, and that’s saying a lot considering Sasha is basically the queen of merchandise. I thought a “Smart Wrestling Fan” was supposed to understand how business work…
Again, true. However, a smart wrestling fan ALSO knows that it’s extremely easy to be top merch seller when the Bellas have at multiple times in the past have had upward of 5-10 merch items up for sale on their website, and since a ton of their fans are young kids who just have to have every piece of merch and will beg their parents to buy it for them until they do, and at the same time, all of the other women had two shirts AT BEST, you can easily come to the conclusion that OF COURSE they sell more merch than everyone else.
They were smart enough to capitalize on their success and turn it into money. Nikki’s wedding will probably get more attention than a regular PPV because her and her sister and marketing masterminds and secured a future for themselves
And why as wrestling fans should we be happy that someone’s wedding will get more attention than a wrestling PPV. True or not, that’s not relevant. And honestly quite sad if true.
create their own empire.
Again, within WWE and E. When you actually get to mainstream mainstream, no one knows who the Bellas are. They do not have an “empire” – it’s just a wrestling fanbase combined with people enjoy trashy reality tv – not exactly quality people.
WWE wasn’t their first choice, I’ll never disagree with you on that and who says the contrary probably doesn’t know much about those two. But so what??
This is completely fair.
They also never miss the chance to talk about the other women in a positive light, no matter if it’s during an interview, a podcast, on Instagram, Twitter, etc… even when they don’t have to.
Unless the person’s name is AJ Lee.
They began in 2007, but do you want to know why it took them so long to improve and why there’s such a huge difference between them and Sasha? Sasha was trained as a WRESTLER first in the indies and then under Sara Del Rey. They were trained in FCW, where the trainers had different routines for the girls, they did not want them to be proper wrestler that’s why they were taught the most basic moves and that’s why most girls from that era were not as exciting as today’s girl. Plenty of people confirmed that and said girls were simply not allowed to be or to get good.
This is a completely fair point. That doesn’t excuse them for being bad at the stuff they were supposed to do, though.
In this climate GAIL KIM AND MICKIE JAMES had a horrible, awful match, so do you really think that you can blame the Bellas for how they were performing at the time
Having a three minute match sucks but it doesn’t excuse them for performing poorly in the time they did have. Do your best and keep improving or don’t come. If your performance is affect by the amount of time you get, then you’re not going to get any better.
And you can hardly blame them for Total Divas
We don’t, but they could’ve at least not cost their “friends” Maryse, Maria, and Kelly contracts at the same time. Because, you know, that happened. And then when Maria talked about it their father tried to call Maria to tell her to not talk about it because they can’t fight their own battles that THEY started.
People like Naomi benefitted a lot from TD, because she was finally allowed to show her personality outside of being “Black Dancer #1″ and her fanbase grew exponentially. Hell, I didn’t care about her before TD and now she’s among my favorites
Should I go into a Naomi rant too? Because she’s not that great either.
They were finally allowed to be something more than twins, developed their own personas and each created a different moveset, Nikki being more power-based and Brie using her agility
What new personas? Is screaming “Come on Nikki” and “Brie mode” a persona? Is it your own persona when all you do is your husband’s moves or develop a moveset that emulates your boyfriend’s? Because nothing about their movesets were unique enough to call them “theirs.”
They got over and Brie’s program with Stephanie was actually one of the best written storylines of the last years with the crowd invested in it, it got both women over and Nikki’s heel turn was perfectly executed. Unfortunately after that they completely ruined the Bella vs Bella feud and Brie turned heel without any explanation, but they don’t book themselves
Best written? Eh, maybe. Although it screamed for a babyface that can talk like A.J. and not Brie so it could’ve actually been really great. Perfectly executed so much that we all knew it was coming, but that’s fine. The Bella vs. Bella feud ruined itself by existing to begin with. “I wish you died in the womb” killed it. Thank God for the fast forward button.
Now, to their wrestling ability. If you really are as open minded as your bio suggest I ask you watch these videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0vTiMB48mE, (ignore the title, it’s clickbait) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBTpGaoaJdk
^This guys analyses their wrestling abilities, psychology, selling etc and comes to the golden conclusion: people already have a certain perception that the Bellas are awful, so no amount of improvements or good matches will make them change their mind. I ask you again to watch the videos, with no prejudices, because he explains my point and their abilities perfectly.
How many good wrestlers do you know that have to have 25 minutes worth of videos made to prove they’re a good wrestler? Are there hours of videos trying to prove that Shawn Michaels is a good wrestler? Or Daniel Bryan? Or Kurt Angle or Eddie Guerrero? Because, well, they are good wrestlers – we know they are because they consistently have great matches – and I don’t need 25 minutes of videos to prove that.
However, I will agree that when people already have a certain perception about people, it’s hard to make a second impression no matter how much they improve/how many good matches they have. That’s fair. However, while they have improved, it’s not as much as you think they have apparently, and I can count the number of good matches they’ve had on two hands, if you’re lucky. But we’re going to chalk that second part up to WWE because, again, most of their time was when WWE gave 0 shits about women’s wrestling.
Nikki’s moveset is actually really cool and it works for her, she’s added plenty of offense that highlights her strenghts. She has one of the best forearm smash in business (Nikkisawa!!) it’s vicious and it legit looks like it could knock you out. Her Alabama Slam is another example of this. And the Rack Attack was perfect for her, but had to quit it unfortunately
Not really. Her forearm was pathetic and I bought it zero times when they tried to play it off as devastating.
Brie’s is a bit more lacking and she just ended up adapting Daniel’s moves, but it works for her as well. She was acknowledged as Daniel’s wife on TV, everybody knows, so there’s nothing wrong with getting a bit of a cheap pop with some Yes Kicks. And her Yes Lock was p e r f e c t, her missile dropkick looks amazing. I feel Nikki is the better wrestler of the two, but Brie just had less chances to show it always being the fall girl.
And yet you said earlier about how she developed her own persona. Spacing out the letters in a word doesn’t make it true, either. Her missile dropkick isn’t that special and will forever be known as something that inexplicably pinned Becky Lynch once even though NO ONE LOSES TO A MISSILE FUCKING DROPKICK. (It seriously hadn’t happened since Survivor Series 2002.)
Natalya is the better wrestler among them, no doubt about that, but she has ages of experience on her back so it’s not really a fair comparison. Naomi is amazing, she incorporated her athleticism in her repertoire and is very creative, always busting out some new offense, but that’s unique to her.
Do I need to go into a Natalya rant as well as a Naomi rant? Seems like someone thinks that the women on Total Divas are all spectacular even though, well, not so much.
And do you really want to use Paige as an example…? I like her, I really do, but her main roster run was a mess. She got lazy and her move sets consisted of knee strikes, screams and headbutts, while Nikki and Brie always bring some new move. (And I’m hard on her because her NXT work was so much better= This just shows how biased you are towards them. If you don’t enjoy them or their styles it’s perfectly fine, but don’t use stupid excuses please. Because the logic you are applying to the Bellas could be applied to some of the girls you were defending and I don’t see you doing that 🙂
Well, it was a bit of a mess, but that’s what happens when you’re constantly buried for seven months by the Bellas because Vince is too busy with his hard on for erasing people from history books that they didn’t care about storytelling and that Paige should have won the title on multiple occasions from them during that title reign because Nikki literally had nothing left to do with it. (And, in fact, she had won the title – let us not forget that when she pinned Brie in disguise at MITB 2015 that the ref counted the pin, the bell rang, and Paige was declared the winner. Just because Brie then showed the ref that she was Brie does not change that. The ref never physically restarted the match so when Nikki did whatever it was that she did and pinned Paige, she was doing so for funsies and Paige was actually the champ. But WWE doesn’t want you to remember that.)
Also, are we really calling Paige lazy? You realize how laughable that is, correct? That’s just bias.
You want to complain about character, but there are really no great characters nowadays. Sasha’s character work in NXT was GOAT (I consider her to be one of best at this, she just gets it) but what exactly is her character on the main roster? They stripped her of everything “Boss” but the name, turning the once fierce Legit tough girl of NXT into a whiny little girl that cries about her childhood dreams and can’t win on PPV. What’s Becky’s character besides being an underdog that likes steampunk? Summer? Emma? Dana? Nattie is basically female Bret Hart without the success. Once again you are blaming the Bellas for something that happens to every girl. The girls on the main roster are given no chances to actually develop and show their character besides few glimpses.
I see what you did here. You tried to make it sound like it’s okay that the Bellas have no character because all of the other girls have none either. No, that’s not the case. This is called Whataboutism – something that conveniently was tweeted into my Twitter timeline today.
That is what you are doing. See, the Bellas and Charlotte both have no character. (And others, but this is my example.) But, if I’m writing a post about the Bellas having no character, I don’t ALSO have to make the same post about Charlotte too just because it happens to be true. This is about the Bellas and about the Bellas it shall remain.
(The Bella Booty shake is iconic, leave it alone!)
Um, what about it is iconic?
And if you want to blame the Bellas for their face/heel swaps I would like to see you do the same for Alicia Fox, because she was in the same situation changing sides more than I change underwear. Do you know who else is a victim of this? Big Show. And do you know who’s to blame? Bad booking.
Ok, so the thing here is that the face/heel swaps are NOT actually face turns and heel turns. The Big Show thing was actually constant turns. Nikki and Brie while heels constantly tried to get themselves over as faces or acted like they were the faces WHILE THEY WERE HEELS. They’re heels, and perhaps if they committed to actually being heels and did good heel work, they’d be respected for being that. But they didn’t.
And despite having Cena on their side their booking has been horrendous almost all the time. Nikki had to stand there and listen while AJ insulted and slut shamed her week in week out, without ever having the chance to fire back. She did once and her promo got cut because AJ got upset.
Their booking being horrendous in terms of what they go out there and do is not something Cena being on their side would help. Cena being on their side helped them have those spots on the show but what they do is still shit. Also, blaming AJ for her character being booked to slut shame someone is comical when you’re telling us to blame booking for what the Bellas are doing but now we’re supposed to be mad that AJ, who was told to, slut shamed them. Also, her promo didn’t get cut because AJ got upset. Let’s not pretend that AJ had any kind of backstage power because she absolutely did not. She fought for everything she got and earned it.
at first Vince didn’t want girls on Total Divas to win the title (which is also one of the reasons AJ held onto the belt for so long and they had to call up Paige, because they had her bury the entire division and there were no more contenders).
The whole people on Total Divas couldn’t win a title was never true or they never would’ve won it all. A.J.’s title reign seemed in constant jeapordy of ending because of their hard on for Total Divas and other backstage bullshit. And don’t pretend that AJ buried anyone because in no way is that true. Beating people isn’t “burying” them. And of course they called up Paige to have her win the belt from AJ – Paige was the only person worthy of ending such a historic title reign.
The Bellas are not the best the WWE has to offer, but they are good enough to be where they are. They were smart enough to turn themselves into superstars outside of WWE. I know many refuse to admit but they made their names mean something and are a huge attraction. Nikki’s queue at access was one of the longest, they have a HUGE social media followings, Nikki’s videos were among the most streamed in 2017 (she was the only girls on the list and ahead of Rollins, Owens, Balor, etc..), their merch is the always among the highest selling. They have a great business mind and were able to market themselves to a HUGE following, bigger than any other girl in the WWE.
I do firmly believe that over time the Bellas have earned their place in the company. However, they were put in a position they didn’t belong in for a long time. They earned the spot of beating the meaningless jobbers while losing to the stars, basically, because that’s about as good as they are. You remember how Triple H called Daniel Bryan a B+ player? Well the Bellas are C+/B- players. We talked about their merch already, no one cares about most streamed videos because meh, overhyping how much of an attraction they are based on that they have fans from a reality tv show – fans that don’t actually care about wrestling outside of maybe for them.
Little girls everywhere look up to them, so they must be doing something right.
Lots of young people choose poor role models because they don’t know any better. But I guess if they want to look up to mediocrity that’s their choice.
People can complain all they want about Nikki beating AJ’s reign, but regardless of the reasons it will not change the fact that giving the accolade to her was a good thing
In theory, you are right. In execution, this is not the case. If her title reign hadn’t been fraught with terrible matches, storylines, and just overall boredom, maybe that would be true. Maybe if AJ had left well before she’d won the title and not in the middle of it, it wouldn’t have been so obvious that they were doing it because AJ left. Fans aren’t going to be able to see past something WWE is doing when it happened so recently and that’s not Nikki’s fault.
If AJ hadn’t left it was quite clear that she was going to win the title back at Extreme Rules, but she left. And that’s where Nikki’s title reign fell off for everyone. Because that’s when everyone realized “Oh shit WWE has no idea what they’re doing with this” and just had more boring Nikki/Paige matches that ended the same with with some boring Naomi/Nikki stuff thrown in while everyone was just hoping for something to happen. And then the “revolution” happened but then we just had to wait while they spun their wheels so Nikki could break the record which we all knew she was going to.
But if that was going to lead to some kind of big payoff, they shouldn’t have done it the way they did. EVERYONE knew that Charlotte was going to win six days after Nikki broke the record and it meant absolutely nothing. If you want to use it for a payoff – have her break the record, and hold the title longer until they build up Charlotte (or Becky or Sasha because they are both infinitely better) so that when they win the title from Nikki, it’s a huge moment and not just some predictable finish to an awful title reign that everyone knew why it happened and how it would end.
because she walked out
CM Punk walked out. AJ retired. They are two very different things.
Oh, and in case you didn’t know, AJ was Vince’s favorite girl.
That will never be true no matter how many times you say it. Her title reign was constantly in jeopardy of ending while Nikki’s wasn’t.
He himself gave her the green light for the pipebomb (when the other girls were barely allowed to hold a mic) to bury the other girls and if she decided to come back she would be welcomed with open arms.
Scripted promos are scripted. And would he, really?
Did you know that Nikki proposed to have a weekly open challenge for her title but WWE turned that down and gave it John Cena? Did you know Nikki always asked to get the Horsewomen called up to shake up the stale Divas division? Or that she was ALWAYS pushing for stipulation matches and more exciting stories?
No, because if they did we’d have heard about it previously. That kind of shit gets out to dirt sheets. They can say those things after the fact at convention Q+A’s but it’s easy to say things after the fact when you have no way to prove is true at the time.
Michelle McCool was rumored to be heavily favored by the bookers because of the Undertaker, where’s the hate for that? And were you backstage when she was getting heat for dating Taker?
Whataboutism again. Just because someone wrote a post about the Bellas that Michelle McCool is guilty of too, doesn’t mean someone needs to write a post about Michelle McCool to to make that post.
Do you know he’s as influent and powerful as Cena is?
Everyone knows that, stop being condescending.
So why would they fear Cena and but have no problem pissing off the most respected man in the locker room?
Even CENA respects Taker and knows better than to mistreat him. Sounds stupid to me.Taker can end careers just as much as Cena can but once again this doesn’t fit the anti-Bellas agenda.
No, you’re just using whataboutism because you cannot dispute the original point.
And you can talk about the Bellas being able to get away with everything as much as you want but that doesn’t change the fact that they got pushed AFTER getting popular (Nikki started dating Cena in 2012, got the title in late 2014) were victims of bad booking just as much as everybody else (Where’s Nikki’s monster push?? And Brie was basically a jobber and an afterthought) and had to stand there and listen to people calling them plastic mannequins, telling them that they slept their way to the top, that they were not real wrestlers because of TD over and over again without a chance to fire back. (They did once and their promo got cut, even Cena got upset and defended Nikki on Twitter) Cena’s powers are legit lame if his politicking to get the Bellas pushed put them in this situation.
Again, they shouldn’t have cut her promo and it had nothing to do with AJ.
In conclusion. Do I think being John Cena’s girlfriend helped Nikki? Yes, it would be stupid to say otherwise. Is John Cena the sole reason the Bellas are where they are now? HELL NO! They worked hard and deserved their spot.
Deserved a spot, yes. Deserved the spot they got, no.
Wow, such a great wrestling fan you are downplaying an injury like that. NIKKI WAS ONE BAD BUMP AWAY FROM BEING PARALYZED! Neck injuries are no joke, Edge had to retire from that. Tyson Kidd ALMOST DIED because of a neck injury. So yeah, forgive us if we think the story of a girl who already has everything and could spend the rest of her days wiping her ass with money but she decided to put her health on the line AGAIN so that she can live her passion for a bit longer is exciting. Nikki came back with a FULL SCHEDULE when she didn’t need to, she got booked in plenty of physical fights, No DQ matches etc… Because she’s PASSIONATE ABOUT IT!
Brie had a C-SECTION two months ago and she’s already training to get back because she’s PASSIONATE ABOUT IT!
f you don’t like the Bellas that’s perfectly fine, we can’t all like the same things, but don’t spin your opinion into facts especially if most of your reasons to hate on the Bellas are the tired excuse
No one said you can’t like the Bellas but most all of what is said is completely valid, and now since you’ve heard it a lot your only defense is that “It’s tired” because it was true the first time and it’s true now.
them not being passionate, Cena, bad booking (that you conveniently don’t apply to other girls) and your own perception of their wrestling ability, comparing them to girls who were lucky enough to be treated as wrestlers and not some good looking clones.
I believe they are passionate. Cena is true. Bad booking is actually applied to other girls, the post just happened to be about the Bellas and again, one doesn’t need to post about all of the other examples to highlight one example. And the last point is valid.
Well, this has been fun. I’m happy that there’s at least one Bella fan out there that isn’t like the psycho dumpster fires I see on Twitter.